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 Post subject: Good things about the Panoz
PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 6:15 am 
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I was driving a few laps, alter the car. Besides one thing I couldn't find a good thing about the Panoz.

Ofcourse it is paid by people that smoked. (Don Panonz invented the anti-smoke padge).
Maybe the colour is nice, the sound can be thrilling to others.

But I couldn't find a good thing about that car. Can anyone name it for me?
And in what league is it in? It can't compete with the Viper or Corvette f.i. ...


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 6:37 am 
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won easily.
Streamlined design, may appeal to some.
THE SOUND :) :) :)


I think you just have to have a good setup and know how to really drive the thing to do any good with it versus higher classed cars. :wink:

If I remember correctly, it is VERY heavy and slippery in the rear.


another good thing about it is: ITS A CHALLENGE! GO FIGURE IT OUT AND DO SOME GOOD WITH IT! :) :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 6:57 am 
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easily won?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 7:14 am 
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The best thing 'bout the Panoz must be its unique concept. Don Panoz went straight into the mainstream when he built this GT racer. He had an idea and went for it. That earnes some respect, considered that everybody laughed when they first saw it, but the Panoz sure is a machine that can compete. Look at the ALMS, the only car that's better seems to be the zillion $ Audi works car. Even the engine is custom built by Panoz. I found it refreshing that somebody has a dream and puts it in reality. The fact that Don is a millionaire and puts his money in the automotive sector and doesn't take it to Wallstreet earns the outmost respect IMO. There are so few people who chase their dreams and row against the stream. To mention some: Caroll Shelby, Tony Gillet, Enzo Ferrari and Don Panoz stands firm in this far from completed list.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 8:09 am 
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It is not that I can't master the Panoz. It just isn't up there, whilst it CAN be up there!
Besides the downforce that isn't to the maximum, I can't find any good reason for not functioning properly....


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Max E. wrote:
easily won?


Get 1st on all the time trials,....... sounds easy enough to me :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 8:47 am 
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Or maybe the GT3 team has shortchanged it ... It sometimes looks like that when I look at replays or previews of races with the Panoz in it. I can't find any times in the database with that car to further corroborate this.

One good way to find out if it's the car or your driving ( 8) :P ) could be by setting a little challenge for people to set good times in the database with that car. You set a few yourself on a few different tracks, and we'll try to beat it ... how does that sound? ;-) (yeah yeah, I should put challenges somewhere else, but we could always do that anyway if people think it's a good idea).

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rsh_scuderia wrote:
It is not that I can't master the Panoz. It just isn't up there, whilst it CAN be up there!
Besides the downforce that isn't to the maximum, I can't find any good reason for not functioning properly....


are you just saying it doesnt seem to fulfill its potential that well? if thats the case i agree, the shape looks quick, costs 2000000C, over 1000hp, it should be a great car... but something just never seems quite rite. i mite run it later if i get time


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Maybe i should try it, it have to be possible to go fast in that car... Like noone belived it was possible to make the Escudo turn before Jake proved it, maybe it's the same with the Panoz?


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i know it's easy pickins for alot of us big pimpers :roll but for the average joe, golding all TT's is extremely difficult.


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yh you see people want the best cars for 1 of three reasons...

They are a beginner and want a fast car so they can win everything.

They are experienced and want to race it for a challenge/personal interest

They have all other cars and want it too


As you can see most people that fall into reason 1 are unlikely to be able to kill the TTs rapidly.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 10:27 am 
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Max E. wrote:
i know it's easy pickins for alot of us big pimpers:roll: but for the average joe, golding all TT's is extremely difficult.


Right! Damn i had problems first time i beated the TT's!!! I'm still having problems on TT10, i can do it without big problems within a few attemps, but it's not easy! But then again, i don't like the RUF and driving a slow car on CS..

Also TT8 is one i hate.. A highspeed rallytrack in a slow car :evil:


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Its not a Vertigo .


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 3:10 am 
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It is not that my quality is that bad. But thanks for mentioning it. Ganesh wrote what I mean. The potential of the car is there. A good linear engine with dito power increase. The race case is that it just can't do what it promiss to do. It should be able to do batlles with a Corvette or Viper, but it can't. wierd thing though....

For me it was an easy win after the TT's. Altough that sounds cocky, I dind't experience to much trouble getting the golds. So yes, the Panoz SHOULD be an easy win. An other quality pointed out.


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pointed out BY ME.

thought I should add that. :wink: :P
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Thanks Fly,

your knowledge is ubeatable :wink:

One more thing then, the Panoz is using a Ford engine. Therefor it must be reliable. But that would be IRL, in GT3 it is worth nothing...


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The one thing that sticks in my mind about the panoz , its the only a. i. car that consistantly spins out in front or in back of me...but you know the ai... :o


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rsh_scuderia wrote:
One more thing then, the Panoz is using a Ford engine. Therefor it must be reliable. But that would be IRL, in GT3 it is worth nothing...


I remember when Jan Magnusson an Rubens Barrichello was driving in Stewart Ford F1 cars.. Reliable is not what pops up in my mind :roll:


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rsh_scuderia wrote:

One more thing then, the Panoz is using a Ford engine. Therefor it must be reliable. But that would be IRL, in GT3 it is worth nothing...


The original Panoz Esperante has indeed a Ford engine, but the 2000 LMP-1 Roadster S has an Elan Power 6L8 engine. The Elan Power Company is owned by Don Panoz.
In 2001 Panoz introduced the LMP07 prototype with the Panoz V8 4 liter engine, entirely made by Panoz, but prooved to be unrealible and binned for the 2001 le Mans race, where they reentered the LMP-1 roadster.
What do think of the following to be included in gt4: esperante or the Esperante GTS, with closed cockpit and a spoiler?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2003 2:38 pm 
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I'd say the old one. Or the Le Mans prototype. But that would be an utopie.
Anyways, The Ford engines of Rubinho and Stewart weren't the ones causing problems. The gearbox was revelutionary and caused the many DNF's. The engine was pretty good actually and cause the highest top speed on Hckenheim: 353,4 km/h. And went on to gain a finish.
So the engine isn't the case....

For the hybrid guys. Could you add a diffrent chassis on that "thing"? See if that works...


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