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kodiak31415 wrote

No chance , its a brick

i don't have an f1 car yet.

does it behave like the other cars and not steer even when i cut the wheel with all of my might and then slam the brake?? if so, it's yet another indeictment of the sorry excuse for a physics engine of this game.

did they think everybody who played the game was a point-and-shooter?? cause i sure as hell ain't.

I´ve got 4'48.108 now in my minolta, i think i lost maybe 1.5 total. But as the F1 is better on cornering, about 2 seconds faster, i guess a 4'45 might be possible on it.

F1s arnt suppost to be raced for 24hrs, they leave that to the le means cars.

Having re-read this post I can come to only a few conclusions. One, perhaps you've not spent much time in the F1 machine. Two, you've conducted this experiment in Arcade mode, where perhaps the Minolta can be elevated to a level of performance much closer to the F1 car. Three, there is something fundamentally wrong with the Physics model for the perticular level of performance of each car in the game in example; the Minolta is bestowed a extra level of grip from it's chassis, or tires, by the games coding. Or four, there's something missing, or that I am not thinking of.

From my understanding, it should be patently and mathematically improbably that the Minolta could be within two seconds of the F1 car at any track, let alone the Nurburgring, with the only exceptions being the Test Course, and perhaps the Motegi Super Speedway.

The most fundamental difference between these two machines as I am aware at this time is weight. Weight effects everything about the way a car performs any feat of motion. Acceleration, braking, turning are all effected by a vehicles weight. And the is a significant difference between these two machines in regard to weight. Dealing with these machines in stock form, the F1 weighs 550 kilograms, or 1212.542442 lbs(pounds), and the Minolta weights 900 kilograms, 1984.16036 lbs(pounds). The difference between them is 350 kilograms, and 771.617918 lbs(pounds). That's a huge difference. Considering power, the F1 car has 904hp, and the Minolta has around 900hp I believe, though I stand to be corrected by those who know better. Given nearly equal power, if not exactly equal, the weight difference is even more profound.

There's just no way that the Minolta according to what I've stated above should be able to keep within two seconds of the F1 at the Nurburgring. The Minolta should be losing time from braking, turning, and especially acceleration everywhere on the track, and with the number of turns, braking points, and slow corner acceleration points it should be losing large chunks of time all throughout the lap, and the resultant loss of time by the end of the lap should be far, far more than two seconds.


In conclusion, there is something very strange with this comparison as you've posted here, and I look forward to looking into it, when I'm finished with the FGT series, and have done the two hours of El Capitan. So I can see for myself what is going on here.

PTW ratios... When power is the same it comes down to weight and torque...

The torque advantage of the Minolta is not going to compensate for 771 pounds of girth. Besides that, an F1 cars acceleration is not hampered by it's lack of torque.

That is true, but the minolta is very similar to the C9 in speed aspects, yes the F1 very light and I guess that lack of torque is not a huge factor

I suspect a PD'ized grip exaggeration, because even if it were to have a slight accelerative advantage, which in the real world it wouldn't have, especially considering we are talking an 80's LM car, with 80's chassis/Tire/Suspension technology verses a suedo 2004 F1 car(even the Minardi would drive circles around the Minolta), the Minolta should still be suffering a huge disadvantage in every braking zone, and turn, whether high speed or low, and that's not to even mention the real world difference between these cars in terms of downforce. The Minolta probably doesn't generate half the Downforce a 2004 F1 does, probably not even a third of it. Sadly, these are all factors PD have yet to program into the games physics engine.

Ok i did 4'44.650 in the Minolta on arcade.

Will post the video when i get it in hands.

I did the noob-ring 24 the other night, after reading posts about the F1 I thought it was time to get it for myself, only it isn’t easy to stay up for 24 hours, so anyway this is what I did, the best car I had up to this time was the Nissan R92CP.

I basically raced for about 4 hours till I had quite a substantial lead, did a little Bspec for an extra hour at X3 speed. I found out that if you leave it on Bspec fill his tank once he has no petrol or his tyres are red he automatically pits and u don’t need to push anything the computer figures it out, sometimes in Bspec guy ends up doing a whole lap with screwed tyres and min petrol but at the end of the day I had work so after that night I got up for work and it had done 16 hours over night and I was still in the lead by like 14 laps so I left it for the rest of the day got home at 6 and switched on the TV and it was counting my credits
Mission successful

the minolta is about 2 secs slower than the F1 realsitically (at the nurb)

the f1 has superior cornering speed when above 150km/h, but its unpredictability makes it almost impossible to drive at its theoretically limit, wheras the minolta is much more sable at high speeds, its only downside is its lack of cornering speed when compared to the f1

Apparently I need to play GT4 and drive the F1 car. Considering in GT3 I was able to extract lap times in the F1s on my wheel where only the DS2 racers were 'close'.